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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 561 Newer› Newest»Dori, I'm with you on that. I wouldn't want to be underwater like that anyway, much less with a gun in my face.
For me, it worked since it's TV Land and we all know that sometimes the laws of physics (or reality) just don't apply. But as long as we enjoy the effects . . . let's go for it!
As far as the quotes go, I tried to post the link for it, but I guess that's against the rules (I'm sorry, didn't realize). But there is a site for them out there!
Dori: I think I read somewhere it took about 2-3 days to work it out?
Thanks niteanjl! It seems like that scene would take a bit to shoot being that it is not in a usual setting to shoot scenes.
Dori:
I know people (not you, just in general), had issue with Reid not being in those particular scenes. But, like I've said, it sounded to me like he had a cold (roughness of his voice) so maybe that had something to do with it.
The water in CA is cold. Even if you're not it it, the air coming off it can be quite chilly. So I could understand if they distanced him from it (if indeed he had a cold). That, and I think MGG is very cold natured, just from the way he layers up both on AND off screen. My husband is also very tall, thin and long limbed . . . he freezes unless it's 90+ degrees while I continually overheat!
I think the next episode where they're on the beach will be interesting in seeing how he handles the beach.
He tweeted that he'd like the beach if it weren't for the sand and the sun! Silly boy!
Rossi: "Who won?"
Hotch: "In that age group, they don't keep scores"
Rossi: "That bad, huh??"
That will be one of my all time favorite line from Rossi. Besides the one: "Are you tryin' to scare me?" (heard often on the ION tv promo...make me smile everytime!!)
Last night's episode was one of my favorite! I really enjoyed seeing Hotch (t-shirt and jeans) He and Rossi at the soccer game...running along the sideline, cheering Jack and acting like dedicated "Soccer Dads"!!! Doesn't it do us fans wonders to see Hotch SMILE???
Personal Note: I'd be very surprised if the "SEAVERS" character remains on Criminal Minds after J.J.'s return.
I would question the reason for
keeping Seavers??
After all, wasn't that the original reason for having
her there; to replace J.J.??
Again.. GREAT SHOW last night!
Smokefree:
I, too, was so glad to see Hotch smile. It was time, as it was time seeing him with Jack, trying to carry on after the loss of Haley.
Love Rossi's little asides, don't you?
My favorite is "What? I know stuff!"
I love JM. He's not my absolute fav, but I love that he seems like a genuinely nice man in real life.
I really did not like the episode. It was so cheesy to see Hotch just appear in front of the window and just shoot. Please. Also it was so out of character to be the coach at Jacks game. Him smiling so much is not him. He is better with no personality. Him smiling and laughing is just scary. Bring back Moody Hotch.
Oh, IDK, Hotch CAN'T be the same at home with Jack as he is at work. He's GOT to have some down time, to be 'normal'. We just don't get to see it. It wouldn't work every episode, all the time, but to see a glimpse occasionally, let's us know he DOES have a life, or at least tries to. He deserves a smile or two once in awhile. It's been a long time (2-3 yrs.) since he's really smiled. He actually even used to crack a really dry joke from time to time. I've missed that!
NO smokefree. Seaver is a profiler,JJ is not, so no she is not supposed to replace JJ.
So Seaver can stay.
i don't see how not smiling = no personality. Oh boy, think i might have to break it gently to me dad that he doesn't have a personality because he even frowns in photographs and he terrorised his staff :-) Just fooling around, guys. Thanks for the spoilers...
Eleven:
I love his Twitter posts, either of the feet, or 'giving the stink-eye' as he calls it.
I think he's such a jokester in real life that he's got to practice that frown/glare!! LOL!
TG's tweets are so awesome. lol.
Rosie:
I love, that even though they're done for the season, he's still tweetingthefeettuesday!
Hope he keeps it up all summer. I'm missing all our CM twitter buddies. I think they've been so busy not being busy they're not tweeting as much.
I'm not really complaining . . . they more than deserve their down time, especially after this season. I wouldn't have wanted to deal with it all for all the tea in China. It was a situation not of their making, but I think they dealt admirably. Just goes to show what professionals are supposed to act like!
LOL - yeah, I joined Twitter just to stalk..erm...follow him. He is ridiculously funny, and well, he has also taken one of the most beautiful pics of Paget, imo. But that's TG - my point is that i don't think Hotch is personality-less, that's all.
Testing.
niteanjl: I totally agree. Must have been a weird and difficult time for the cast and crew. But so glad they are getting AJ back for sure and maybe Paget back too :)
Eleven: oh yes I know the Paget picture you are talking about and I agree. It is quite beautiful! I also agree that not smiling does not equal no personality. And I don't think that smiling Hotch is OOC at all. Children, especially if they are your own, have a way of bringing a smile to anyone's face, no matter how sad or stoic you may be.
Eleven:
I undermeant what you stood! LOL!!
I sta . .follow TG, JM & MGG on Twitter. They're all a hoot! JM seems to be keeping up more since the season ended than the others. But, TG has family that he was anxious to spend time with and MGG, well what can one say about that hyperactive child? He's into so much that I seriously think he's sleep deprived!
I also follow AJC & PB, but they're not quite as active. My hubby says it's an obsession, I just say it's my 'soap opera' during the day that I can keep an eye on while at work without really 'not' working!
"I undermeant what you stood" - snort, giggle, LOL. i think if we continued this discussion, we'd be booted off. We're not really discussing the episode. Mea culpa. Oh, and SmilingHotch is certainly not OOC.
I just spent 30 mins. putting together a post, went to preview it and Blip! It's gone! Ok, briefly:
UK viewer: I agree, some of the Seaver disdain has become ingrained as you say. But not like a bad habit -it's because the underlying facts remain the same: she does not belong in this unit. Even if the acting, and all that goes with it that bothers us (voice, expressions, body language, line delivery, etc.) the fact remains that she is in training and she not have been turned loose doing profiling and expositions and isn't even any good at the mtg with the vic's families (trying to put her in a kind and caring light as AJ? The other very sad fact is she is ADDING NOTHING to this show even when she is not dragging it down. Seaver, not RN. This un-interesting character has next to nothing to offer.
We are exhausted going on about it but are torn to let it go for fear CBS will allow it continue if we shut up.
So I suggest the following:
1. Make a promise to yourself that each day you post, you allow yourself to rag about Seaver within only ONE post. Once a day is more than enuf. Keep it brief.
2.) Even if Michael or Carl jump on it and start in with the "Leave her alone...she's still developing..." Let it go. Do not respond. We already have - over and over.
If her debut was in the tenth epi "What Happens at Home" then last nite makes her on 13 times snow. WAY more than enuf to make us change our minds and see her in a more favorable light.
Please think about -we need to do something differently here to keep this blog going.
heyva: Reid and the camera: I noticed that too and want to go back and re-watch.
If the shooting at the end and the soccer game rules were inaccurate, I did not mind because I found them to be well-done. They got their message across beautifully.
And did I mention how good Hotch looked last nite?...Sigh...
Have a good day, folks!
Eleven:
I know what you mean. Sometimes we go off on tangents, but as long as we get back on topic I think they'll forgive us!!
No, I don't think a Hotch that cracks a smile from time to time, especially when he's playing with his son it OOC at all.
I mean, he even used to joke with Reid (Profiler, Profiled)! It's not outside the realm of possibility for the show.
The entire episode was fantastic. The show was like a 95% of being completely amazing! Would have loved to see a little more Garcia/Morgan flirtation. But I loved everyones dynamics. I always love episodes where Hotch interacts with Jack. I really love how Morgan and Hotch were able to save Marcy. I think both of them needed to know they could save someone after the loss of Emily. I thought it was a really great episode overall. Great job Team! Now they just need to renew Shemar & Thomas' contracts!!!
And he laughed out loud when Garcia wanted to give back Gideon and in one epi said 'i love you' to her in the most deadpan way that only he can. Epic.
and the dry wit - "remind me to have her drug tested" re: Garcia. and "what did you do, join a boy band?" re: Reid's haircut. I love Hotch!!!
Thank you, Gubegirl, on all points. You've pointed out a very mature way of dealing with all sides of the issue(s)!
We ARE all adults here and should express our varying opinions in an adult manner while in keeping with the tone of the thread AND the blog itself. The moderator (?) of the blog site continually asks us to be respectful!
We all have our opinion(s) and the strong feelings that are attached to them and there's not a thing wrong with that. It's natural and human and a little diversity in thought it a good thing, as long as we don't lower ourselves to sniping at one another.
(Although I find myself slipping into immaturity when I start gushing over my fav character(s), so remind me if it happens and I'll try to straighten up!)
Rachel has had more than enough time to 'develop' this character even with bad writing.
RN doesn't get a finite number of episodes to develop her character. Her character will develop as long as she's on the show. It's a screenwriting thing, it's known as "character development".
I think a better word would be "establish". You feel Seaver has not yet fully established herself as part of the team and doesn't belong there. Fair enough. Personally, I think Seaver has had a long settling in period because a) she came in as an academy undergrad; b) she idolizes the BAU and her colleagues; c) she's painfully aware of her inexperience. Given that, it would have been unrealistic for Seaver to be fully established and confident after two or three episodes - it would have made her the most arrogant person on the team!
I hope Seaver brings her suspicions about the teacher to the attention of her colleagues. It has the potential to be a defining moment for her and how she relates to the rest of the team, in terms of her self-perception and how the team perceives her.
Oh, and as for what she'll do when JJ comes back? I don't know, what did Prentiss do while JJ was around? JJ's return is no reason to ditch Seaver. In fact, saying JJ's return is a reason to ditch Seaver is demeaning to both actresses, because you're essentially arguing that one blonde white woman is as good as any other. You're saying they're interchangeable. I, for one, find that deeply offensive.
"Anonymous said...
I really did not like the episode. It was so cheesy to see Hotch just appear in front of the window and just shoot. Please. Also it was so out of character to be the coach at Jacks game. Him smiling so much is not him. He is better with no personality. Him smiling and laughing is just scary. Bring back Moody Hotch."
Yeah because a warm, cuddly, adorable Hotch will only increase his popularity w/the CM viewers and on this board; and we can't have that!LOL
As the father of a young child, it should be expected that he would coach his soccer team and participate in his life. He loves his son and the best way to demonstrate that love is to take pleasure in being an active participant in life and being role model who shows he enjoys being a dad.
What has been OOC for Hotch is that he became so one-dimensional and moody. His character in earlier episodes smiled more and was warmer. I'm glad to see we're getting a more balanced depiction of Hotch and hope it will continue. I also hope it has something to do with Erica Messer's influence as showrunner; and hope we have more great moments to look forward to in the remaining episodes of this season and season 7.
Ok yeah,I changed my mind on Seaver staying and how I no longer care. I care again. The Stranger was the only episode she wasnt annoying but every other episdoe, including tonights... she needs to go. And whats with RN's delivery of the lines, Idk about robotic, but RN is truly horrible as Seaver. Sorry to the actress, she's good in her movies and ALias but she just seems to be trying to hard to be Clarice Starling and its not working!
On to the great, loved this epsidoe and Hotchcentricness of it! Hotch is just delicious! I love him being a dad and then Rossi joining in at the end, "I'm Italian"! Awesome, I live in a very Italian naighborhood and they do take soccer quite seriously! I'm not Italian but great food. Loved SPenc profiling the victims body and i think at the very least that Talbot guy is ubercreepy! He was eating when Morgon and Rossi were questioning him and that does not strike me as a man who truly cares for these girls. Cant wait for JJ to come back and restore the glory of Cm and for TG and SM to sign their contracts! Please cbs just give tehm what they want!
Rach: Dead on!
This episode really gave me a good feeling, that the writers/producers and hopefully the execs are trying to rectify the boneheaded mistakes they made.
I'm a terrible Pollyanna. I have faith CM (and us) will survive the debacle that was created!
To anonymous,
JJ's return is not a reason to ditch the actress RN but onscreen it would be to confusing becuase they have similar looks and that doesnt work on tv or movies unless its a comedy. There needs to be contrast and JJ was liason while PRentiss was a profiler and Seaver is a wannabe profiler. All 3 have different functions on the team. Also, JJ was there first and she belongs on the team. Seaver just doesnt fit and its not just screenwriting, its chemistry as well, its every little thing. Seaver does sound like she belongs even though she doesnt, she seems to comfortable with all her leaning and lounging around in the eps, and that isnt a good character builder. Seaver is not BAU material and even though she's written to be inexpereinced, sometimes its portrayed as Seaver having some miracle upper hand over the team that she doesnt. SHe just aint credible.
But we'll see when JJ returns. I am looking forward to season 7.
For what it's worth AND PLEASE DON'T CRUCIFY ME for passing this along. I'm offering none of my own thoughts or preferences concerning the issue. I'm just passing along info.
In a recent interview with RN, she pointedly noted that she knew a great number of fans disliked her character and that she UNDERSTOOD that. She also acknowledged that her particular character hadn't been "fully fleshed out", mainly due to the time that had to be expended finishing up Prentiss' story arc.
Just wanted to let everyone know that RN is NOT oblivous to anyone's feelings about her or her character.
Personally, regardless of whether anyone likes her character/acting/etc. I wouldn't have taken the job, ever. AGC is just too hard of an act to follow.
Yes, Gubegirl, you did mention that he was looking good (you also mentioned drool i think), and it's killing me 'cause i have to wait a while for this epi. I know TG is nine kinds of handsome, but i still feel lightheaded for the first five minutes whenever he appears on screen. This is not good :-D
SmokeFreeZone said,
"Rossi: "Who won?"
Hotch: "In that age group, they don't keep scores"
Rossi: "That bad, huh??"
I love that line too because it reminded me of some of the kids sports team that some of my friend's children are on. They just basically have them for the kids to have fun, not really anything competitive because the kids are not that good, aw, bless their hearts though for trying and improving along the way.
Hotch smiling is always such a treat not only because Thomas Gibson has a great smile but beacuse it gives this character a little bit of a reprieve from all of the drama circling in his life. Sometimes it seems like Hotch has the world on his shoulders. When it comes to Jack though, he throws those shackles off and is a loving and doting father. I agree with your comments about Seaver as well.
I loved this episode and so feel that it is a step in the right direction. I am hoping that season seven episodes contain more of teh psychological underpinning sof earlier season epiosdes. I believe Erica Messer said that she will be working on getting writers that can achieve this come next season and I for one can't wait.
All I have left to say is that the men were delightful. I don't know what is going on the contract front other than it seems like neither Thomas Gibson and Shemar Moore have still not been given contracts for next season. I'm hoping that this is just a standard cat and mouse contract game that will end one someone blinks.
Anonymous said...
"Oh, and as for what she'll do when JJ comes back? I don't know, what did Prentiss do while JJ was around? JJ's return is no reason to ditch Seaver. In fact, saying JJ's return is a reason to ditch Seaver is demeaning to both actresses, because you're essentially arguing that one blonde white woman is as good as any other. You're saying they're interchangeable. I, for one, find that deeply offensive."
Um, what??? Look, Prentiss was an experienced person qualified to be on the team, so there was never any question of what she was doing there in the first place, nor what she will do if hopefully she returns. The fact is that the Seaver character was inserted to fill the void of JJ not being there, not the function of JJ's job, no, but the void of her not being on the show. A cadet, inexperienced probabtionary agent on an elite and specialized team. Sorry Charlie, but I am not buying it. If this were the shows first season, you could slip some character like this in there and bang away at the fact that experience or genius like Reid is not needed until the cows come home. But to try and pull that stunt now is just plain nutso. It doesn't help that the character is just as bland as a rice cake and this clarion call that some type of this or that will kick in one day, what day who knows, is just as tiring as watching this character on screen.
Whether or not Paget returns to the show, which I hope she does, the Seaver experiment as it has been dubbed by some here is a no starter, a fail in my estimation. Also, people are acting as if this would be the only character in the history of television that has been written out of a show because of its reception, its ill-fit, or whatever else. There are a line of written off TV characters that stretch more than a few miles long that can be referenced to. If she is to be written off, she wouldn't be the first, nor would she be the last.
Fabulous epi! Hotch got to leave the police station AND we got to see some Hotch as a dad, which is always such a treat. This is why TG MUST be back next season. Love me the Hotch/Rossi moments too.
Rachel showed us last night that she has the acting talent to stay with the show. Rachel showed emotion and was very warm to the parents. While Thomas was being Hotch and being very cold with the other parents. He is suppose to be a seasoned actor but Rachel showed him up. If she can upstage Thomas Gibson than she deserves to stay.
Showing up Hotch?!!! That's the best laugh of the day - in her DREAMS she could not be as good as Hotch/TG!
Sorry - just can't hold my tongue when such ridiculous 'attention-getting' comments are made. I'll do better next time!
LOL. Anonymous, your RN, TG comment, that was so funny that I literally laughed out loud.
Thanks for the laugh :)
Hey everyone I have been looking around here for some time (never posted) and have now read all the comments so far about this episode.
My take was that it was great episode I love Hotch centric episodes. I also really liked the soccer part.
Any way I saw a couple of posters saying the S scenes (Seaver-Scenes) could be left out and it would not bother them I can only agree there. I saw it a second time and I used FF on her scenes and I can only say it heighted the pleasure over this episode.
Erin said... Also, people are acting as if this would be the only character in the history of television that has been written out of a show because of its reception, its ill-fit, or whatever else. There are a line of written off TV characters that stretch more than a few miles long that can be referenced to. If she is to be written off, she wouldn't be the first, nor would she be the last.
I could not agree more with this. I can even give an example. Hannah Burley on Bones this season, she never became a regular, but from the sound of it there had been talk about it... however Fans took so badly to her that she got the kick in episode 13 after having been a recurring in 7 episode (being referenced to for all 13). Even a couple of reviews online named her a failure or ridiculous. I know it is not completely the same since she was not a regular... but there had been talk about her staying on longer after all she did get two more episodes than planned at first....
I also find the whole deal with S having to develop for fans to like her ridiculous. Sure she will perhaps be in an ongoing process but when you have been on in over half a season you should have developed some and found footing and I don’t think she has done that well if at all… I still find her just as flat as I did in the first episode.
I can also say II am a relative new viewer and have caught on during the winter and spring, and when I recently came to the S episodes I watched them with no knowledge of the AJ Cook debate or the PB debate, so no I had no anger over their treatment which could color my view on S. However after having watched some episodes with her (un till PB-last episode) I finally looked up debates on CM like I have done for Bones a long time, and tried to find out what was going on. So now I am caught up on the treatments of AJC, PB and now TG and SM, I am shocked by it.
However what I really wanted to know was if other fans found this new addition (S) just as boring and flat as I did and I can see I am not the only one. Okay I guess I just killed the myth about all fans not liking her has something to do with the debate and treatments of AJ and PB, or not wanting change. Changed was not a problem for me watching Gidion leave or Elle leave, and Rossi and Prentiss join on. I cried when JJ left but I did not mind the episodes she was not in right after until S joined on actually I liked a couple of them a lot.
Don't take the bait. Just take a deep breath and slowly walk away. ; )
sf81387 is correct. Don't take the bait. Just take a deep breath and walk away.
ups sorry I saw it wrong it was Dale who said:
hether or not Paget returns to the show, which I hope she does, the Seaver experiment as it has been dubbed by some here is a no starter, a fail in my estimation. Also, people are acting as if this would be the only character in the history of television that has been written out of a show because of its reception, its ill-fit, or whatever else. There are a line of written off TV characters that stretch more than a few miles long that can be referenced to. If she is to be written off, she wouldn't be the first, nor would she be the last.
Sorry I have to learn to use this debate site:-) Really i am sorry.
For me Hotch smiling and goofing around with the kid is completely in character. He went off (in my version of events) in his post-divorce one-note grimness. He's back to Hotchiness when you get the two sides of him, the smile-eyed dad and the steely-eyed boss. In Rossi's case, I'm not so sure it was in character. He does sardonic better than outright goof. The whole football thing was a bit cutesy for me. But no matter.
But there is one thing about this coaching arrangement that I like...
(Bear in mind that by the time you are reading this, UK viewer will have turned off her computer and gone to stick one in the eye of the Tories, so you can't hurt me!!)
... I like the idea that the 'Assistant' knows considerably more about the game than the 'Coach'. Not a bad metaphor for their day-time work relationship...
Uh-oh... [runs]
And now I'm off to vote,
UK viewer
PS only messing
I'm walkin' away, but not quietly because i'm laughing so hard.
Yes, I think that Hotch smiling is in character. As sdwally pointed on, earlier seasons showed Hotch much less dark than he is now, but let's face it, there have been a lot of things for him to be dark about. Getting divorced from his wife, being attacked by the Reaper, having to put his family in Witness protection, his wife being murdered by the Reaper, losing team mates (JJ and Prentiss). But when it comes to Jack, Hotch has always been upbeat and loving. He loves his son very much and Jack idolizes his father.
Ok, since Seavers is a PROFILER...
and JJ isn't.(and she's returning
at the end of this season & S7) Maybe Hotch can send Seavers to that "OTHER" BAU team, that is mentioned from time to time!!
Would love for the Criminal Minds showrunners to bring Prentiss back!!
JMHO!!!
Overall it was a good episode.
I loved the case, it was interesting and we didn’t see much about the real culprit until the team closed in on him. There was a (solid) false lead. I like all of that.
It was great to see Hotch happy with Jack. It had been a long time since we didn’t see him laugh like that and I think Hotch needed it. He has already been through too much.
I Loved Reid profiling the victim’s body and making his “report” based on his observations.
I also loved the scene where he corrected Morgan about the number of pictures. Analytical/scientific Reid is always a treat.
So not a fan of the scene with Morgan and Hotch underwater.
I’m not criticizing those who liked it, it’s just really not my cup of tea.
I know it’s ”only TV”, but I still prefer sobriety and credibility when action scenes are concerned. Once again this is Just my opinion, I’m not criticizing any fan here.
Really enjoyed the scene near the end with the professor and the pictures, it was creepy and in style with the episode.
I’m with those who want to see more Hotch/Reid interactions.
I know that Rossi has known Hotch the longest and that they are friends, but we have seen Hotch and Reid develop a friendship and a bond too over the years. And we saw it regularly until the end of the third season.
It’s high time to show us some nice scenes between them again.
So, all in all I thought the episode was good. Not the best I have ever seen, but good.
Hey, you know what - this is the most fun we've had on this site - good change from all the panic and the heartache. good old-fashioned ribbing is good, no matter who your fav is. I'm lookin' at you, UK Viewer ;-) TG's sons are into EPL; so maybe they worked that into Hotch.
The episode was good and Seaver was good again :-)
SmokeFreeZone, I like your embelm :)
I think Morgan should also do some coaching for Jack's team.. Reid.. hmm, he could break down the stats :)
Jane:
I for one enjoyed the underwater scene, just for the coolness factor. Wasn't what we're used to seeing from this show, but what has been this season?
A neuron just fired in my brain about that scene . . . Reckon they threw that scene in for the guys? A surprise, action scene? Just a thought. Guys like that sort of thing. My husband isn't a great fan of the show, but even he thought that was cool!!
Stacy:
I was sort of hoping to see the rest of the team in the bleachers . . . would have been way too cute!
wally what do you mean. It would make sense for her to pick this up because she lived with a serial killer her whole life, of course she sees everyone different that is why Seaver is going to be such a great addition to the team. And she picks up stuff about people not acting natural or weird arround others
Just a thought. Someone earlier in the blog was wondering why Seaver was lingering over the photos at the end.
Possibly because the girls in them reminded her of the girls/women her father raped and murdered?
IDK, just asking . ..
After this episode I have some hope that I can continue watching. I hope this will not be a pattern, bad episodes with a bone thrown to us every now and then.
There were things I liked and disliked about this one; here they are in no particular order.
-Seeing Hotch smile and in a
T-shirt is always good. TG is the main reason this show grabbed my imagination, so that's a bone I'll chew on any time.
-I liked the flash-forward/CPR scene, a bone I presume to the Shemar fans. This added to the drama for me and I wanted to know how we got there.
-Nice edge of seat thing making it seem as if it could have been Hotch chasing the young woman through the woods and heartbreaking to watch her fall off the cliff. Did not like what they tried to do linking the chase/fall with Hotch and Jack on the soccer field, didn't work for me.
-It's always cute to see Hotch with Jack. It shows the human side of him. Just wish they could do it more at work. Give him some morally ambiguous scenes or show how he cares for his team as they have done in the past.
-Unsub/crime/profiling-wise this was a good one. Tension, creepiness, team interaction. Did have a hard time with the whole thing of Reid profiling the victim at the hospital, seemed rather gratuitous. Was a that a little flashlight he had or what?
-Hated the Rossi/Seaver scene talking about how the unsub didn't like having a spouse looking over his shoulder and her response. What, now she's a woman of the world sharing banter with Rossi the player? It just seemed like one more of those scenes designed to show how much she belongs on the team and I just come away feeling manipulated. Don't know if they could be better written or in all honesty if it would make any difference.
-How did they figure out that someone was trying to frame the photographer? Maybe I missed something but the explanation seemed rather slim on details.
-Great to see Rossi, the interrogator. This is something that I think always works well. JM is very believable in this role. He just comes across as someone who's been around way too long to buy anybody's BS.
-More believable than as assistant soccer coach. I love Hotch/Rossi scenes whether they're friendly or tense. Rossi is one of the few peers that Hotch has and I think it probably reflects the relationship the two actors have. However I think it works better when they share a good bottle of Scotch than run around a soccer field together.
-I thought the whole dive in the lake/rescue damsel in distress/ fatal underwater gunshot scene was rather over the top. Gave us some action but I like my strong CM men to be a little more understated. More moral strength than physical domination. Not sure really why this scene didn't work for me.
-Liked the ambiguity of the scene with the photographer developing the photo of the young woman. Will he be a future unsub?
Didn't we have another like this, the guy from The Appalchian Trail?
I didn't need to know where it was going to go. It was just nicely creepy.
Now I'm going to post this, hopefully without screwing up and deleting it as I did earlier.
Hotch armpit hair equals SEXY mmmmm
Hotch in a T-shirt equals SEXY mmmm
Hotch in Jeans equals SEXY mmmm
Hotch laughing equals SEXY mmmm
Hotch smiling equals SEXY mmmm
Hotch high fiving equals SEXY mmmm
Hotch being Front and Center SEXY mmm
Teresa:
How I got that they knew someone was framing the art teacher was that at the beginning of the show, someone dug up an 'old' grave and took the skull. The soil around the skull at the teacher's house was freshly disturbed as well. Also the jacket being right out in the open when everything else was so controlled.
Now that I think about it and can't believe I missed it . . . the art teacher was actually framing his partner by framing himself!!!!
Because at the beginning of the episode, the person spraying the ammonia was texting with someone!!
Am I the only who missed that? Boy, do I feel dumb!
Annonymous,
You're right on with the Hotch/SEXY items. Made me laugh.
niteanjl,
Good for you if you liked that scene, it's jut not my cup of tea.
I'm not a fan of actions scenes, and when there's one I prefer that scene to be treated with a lot of sobriety.
But once again, this is just my personal opinion.
I also saw that fans talked about MGG possibly leaving the show after the seventh season.
It's a possibility but I really hope it won't happen.
I know that I couldn't keep on watching the show without Reid.
And I'm not saying that as a treat or a form of boycott.
I just couldn't find enough enjoyment in the show if Reid wasn't in it and I know I would stop watching.
Jane:
That's all right, we all have our likes & dislikes. If we all liked the same things, life would be pretty boring on this planet.
The action shot could be a 'try it and see if it flies' sort of think. Still in keeping with the 'keeping it fresh' mentality?
I don't know how the show could last without MGG. I know they've signed AJC to a 2 yr. contract, but anything can happen between now and then.
I could be totally wrong about MGG, and I hope that I am, but he's still young enough to have a LOT of things he wants to do.
I totally understand about MGG
niteanjl, I can't wait until JJ comes back to see how they will integrate her son onto the show like they have Jack. I hope they do. I'm thinking he would probably be what, 3 or 4 by now?
Stacy:
Henry was born early in season 4. Now as to whether time passes the same in TV Land as it does for us mere mortals . . .
niteanjl
I wouldn't blame an actor if he wanted to leave a show and MGG is no exception.
If he wanted to do something else and leave Criminal Minds, then that would be his choice and I would respect that.
But I know with certainty that I would stop watching Criminal Minds.
You can't keep watching a show just out of loyalty, you also have to enjoy it.
And I know I couldn't enjoy the show without Reid in it.
Now, would the show survive or not without Reid ? That's another question.
Jane:
Agree on all points!
He's young, talented and full of energy. Working on episodic TV curtails one's time immensely.
If an opportunity arises, I'm all for him taking it and will follow him regardless.
His leaving the show would be a devastating blow . . .
Evening all!
Personally, I enjoyed the episode - it was definitely worth sacrificing half my treadmill time for before Body Combat!
To sum up:
* All the team were involved, and seemed more in character than they were earlier in the season.
* Jack. How cute is that kid?! Nice scenes - tieless Hotch was definitely a bonus! I was wondering if the scenes with Hotch and Jack had been put in for a reason, as they didn't seem to tie in with the story line? The calm before the storm possibly? I've sen it on TV and read it in books where everything is going fabulously well for a character and then *something* bad hits them out of the blue. That's just me speculating, btw.
* Reid. The profiling the unconscious girl's body was fascinating. Also, when he corrected Morgan about the number of photos made me laugh. Nice bit of banter there.
* On the subject of our genius, I out-Reided Reid AGAIN. Yes, MY genius knows no bounds. When he was puzzling over the girl saying "He has Mercy" I instantly thought the unsub had taken two girls and one was called Mercy. Admittedly I didn't get the Marcy bit quite right, but then Reid's got about 30 points on me! Yeah, I'm feeling smug - humour me.
* Creeeeeeeepy deluxe ending - wonder if we'll see Mr pervy teacher again next season or further in the future? They brought back the Fox, so you never know. We had a weirdo art teacher (but not in a pervy way) when I was at school who was a shorter version of the creepy teacher on the show. That gave me a giggle too.
* Rossi. Made me laugh with his comment about his second wife. I also liked the way he interrogated Mr pervy teacher. Good job he's not English, or there'd have been a full-blown fist-fight on the jet about Hotch calling it "soccer" ;-))
* The under water scene. I wondered about the physics water resistance aspects of it (geek?) but as has been said before, it was different to what we usually see and from both a viewing and technical point of view it was good/interesting to watch. Lucky actress too!!!
Think that's it.
LOL, he may come back as a teenager then, LOL
About MGG, out of all of them I could see him voluntarily leaving because is first love is directing and if he got a job doing that full- time, I think he would take it. I would be crushed if he left. But let's not think that far ahead.
niteanjl,
Yes it would be a devastating blow.
We're not here yet, but I really hope MGG will stay on the show if it goes beyond season seven.
If he doesn't that's it for me.
Blimey:
I don't know if the scenes with Jack are a precursor of anything. It had always been planned for us to see a softer side of Hotch in dealing with his son, this season, but with everything else happening I was beginning to doubt it would come about.
It was just good to see him smile and interact with Jack. "Hotch" needed that more than anyone else on the team!
Seaver doesnt pick up anything that she wasnt told 5 seconds before and she has no unique perspective. Her father treated her well and she didnt find out anything about him until she was 18 and she has never even been to visit him or read any of his letters. Seaver should be written off and I have a grea t idea for her to be written off too. Finally confronting her father in a storyline and reading the letters and realizing that she needs to be part of another unit before joining the BAU team in about ten years. For now, she is no grea t addition.
Really loved the soccer scenes and Rossi and Hotch teaming up at the end, just rewatched and damn! Aaron Hotchner/Thomas Gibson is one sexy man! I would love to see the BAU boys playing some golf to show some non case bonding outside of work. joe and Thomas h=both love golf too.
Also, I think MGG will stay on the show as long as the cast is intact. Once TG and SM signe their contracts, I think the show has at least 2 more seasons of life left in them. I would love to see them reach 200 eps at least!
Stacy & Jane:
I totally agree, it's not here yet and may NEVER happen, but with everything else that's gone on . . .
I'm a worry-wart as my dear departed grandma used to say and I AM prone to fret over things LONG before necessary.
No wonder I've gone prematurely gray!
No premature greys niteangl, LOL.. Yes, the network certainly hasn't made it easy for one not to fret these days. Hopefully, they are on the road to fixing what they broke, resigning TG and SM, and hopefully MGG will want to stay on beyond season 7. I'm hoping that he gets to direct more episodes next season.
@ niteanjl
I wondered both ways about the Hotch & Jack scenes. They could just be showing us "Hotch minus the suit" but then I'm one of those annoying people who has to try to find hidden meaning in everything. I'm a nightmare like that!
Did I miss the episode when Seaver said she was 18 when she found out her father was a serial killer? All I remember her ever saying about it is that he killed "x-amount" (I think it was 25) of women before she was a teenager, which puts her at about age 12 when he would've been arrested. Plus Rossi and Hotch treated her as if she had been a little girl the last time they'd seen her.
Because at the beginning of the episode, the person spraying the ammonia was texting with someone!!
Am I the only who missed that? Boy, do I feel dumb!
I thought that was the unsub texting the parents of the girl.
IMHO i think seaver will become a great addition to the team.
Stacy:
Actually, I've gone WAY beyond gray into silver tinsel town and it ain't pretty on me.
Yes, I blame the network for ALL of the suffering we've endured.
Hopefully the contract situation will be resolved soon. As TG said, these things always take time. I think we're just 'hyper-vigilant' about it after last year's fiasco.
I've always said if they let that boy direct more we'd have a better chance of keeping him.
My husband, who had only watched one full episode before "Mosley Lane", when he found out who directed it, said "If they let that skinny kid direct more I might start watching."
Needless to say, I was speechless for one of the very few times in my life!
sf81387, for some reason, I thought she was under the impression that she as a teenager when she had found out about her dad becoming a serial killer, after he was arrested. I think that was in a line she told Hotch and Rossi when she insited on going with them on the csae. I have absolutely NO interest in ever seeing that episode again, so I will have to go on that for now.
Blimey:
You're not alone on that point. I look 'way too hard' at things sometimes and ruin my enjoyment of them.
sf81387:
you're probably right. I've got the episode DVR'd because I'm afraid I'll miss something.
I meant to say I was under the impression, sorry.
Ha ha.. the "Skinny Kid," I love it niteangl :) MGG really does have a flare for directing.
One thing these blogs are good for is helping us see the things we missed or giving us another angle to think from!!
Thanks!!!
Stacy:
Like my husband has any room to talk.
He's 6'4", 145 soaking wet, all arms, legs, long torso. He even once had loads of long curls.
Remind you of anyone? Maybe that's why MGG attracts me so much!
Ha ha..
I think MGG attracts most of the ladies, at least me anyway :)
Stacy,
Yes, it was in her intro episode that she told Hotch and Rossi that her father had killed all those women before she was a teenager and they seemed to know Ashley as a child and were seeing her all grown up for the first time which brought out the line about "does it make you feel old".
I was always under the impression that she was about 12 when her father was taken off to jail and learned what he'd done, hence the tears/breakdown at the end of her intro episode. She was reliving the worst moment of her life. I doubt that Ashley had a happy, normal first 12 years either, the man did kill her puppy and who knows what other things he did. It was what Ashley knew as "normal", but probably not normal or happy by the usual standards. I think that a 12 year old would be scarred by that horrifying moment when she realized what her father was and the aftermath of it as you grew up and began to understand the true horrors of it all would be a lot of baggage to carry around IMO.
Stacy:
He really is beautiful and that's the best word I can use to describe him. Gorgeous hair, big brown puppy dog eyes, cheek bones to die for and a good jawline. Oh, and did I forget to mention those kissable lips?
Oops, sorry! Went off topic again! Excuse me while I go wipe the drool of my chin . . .
As an aside while we're sort of on the subject of "Smiling Hotch"...
A colleague and I were in Munich last November for three days and were desperately trying to find something to watch on "the telly" we could actually understand (my German is ropey, hers is non-existent).
We found Dharma & Greg dubbed into German on one channel - "Hotch" smiling and talking German was too bizarre to attempt to explain. Wonder if it's on youtube?
Sorry, just remembered and it made me laugh at the time - and completely confused my colleague (who doesn't watch CM - fool).
Blimey
The footie seemed like a double helping of stress relief to me. Hotch with Jack, relaxing, but also Hotch getting help for once with yet another imposed duty. It was like light relief for the Strauss burden from last episode.
I loved the exchange 'Why you?' and the grim humour 'Focus' (partly like he's saying to Rossi, 'ah focus, stop pestering me', and partly owning up to his own inescapable character.)
sf and the numbers
(Sorry, I forget numbers at once, which is going to discredit my post)
Yes I thought she would have been a kid still, a teenager but only just. Not sure if there're any grounds for the 18.
UK viewer
"We found Dharma & Greg dubbed into German on one channel - "Hotch" smiling and talking German was too bizarre to attempt to explain. Wonder if it's on youtube?"
I would die laughing if I saw this, LOL
@ UK viewer.
Ahhhh, "footie" - you're speaking my language now! ;-))
I'd agree it was probably light relief, but my scheming mind is still chewing over possible future scenarios which aren't quite so cheerful.
I love Seaver.
I love Hotch.
I love Reid!!
I LOVE DEREK MORGAN!!!!!!!
sf81387 wrote:
Yes, it was in her intro episode that she told Hotch and Rossi that her father had killed all those women before she was a teenager and they seemed to know Ashley as a child and were seeing her all grown up for the first time which brought out the line about "does it make you feel old".
I was always under the impression that she was about 12 when her father was taken off to jail and learned what he'd done, hence the tears/breakdown at the end of her intro episode. She was reliving the worst moment of her life. I doubt that Ashley had a happy, normal first 12 years either, the man did kill her puppy and who knows what other things he did. It was what Ashley knew as "normal", but probably not normal or happy by the usual standards. I think that a 12 year old would be scarred by that horrifying moment when she realized what her father was and the aftermath of it as you grew up and began to understand the true horrors of it all would be a lot of baggage to carry around IMO.
yes this is why i got no doubt that seaver will be a good addition to the team. There is so much stuff to explore about this interesting character.
me to seaverlover me to :-)
Lovin' the upbeat chatter - how refreshing!
Can't wait to re-watch , hopefully tonite, to catch every little nuance that I missed - there is always so much to digest. Was quite taken aback at the teacher eating during the interrogation: very inappropriate and could be telling for the future. Creep-o big-time. Kept saying he didn't "kill those girl." Didn't say what he did do - just what he didn't. Also telling.
All the guys were wonderful last nite: Garcia was more subdued than usual for whatever reason, but the guys just shined so brightly:
When he gets onto a Reid rant, I just want to take his baby face and just hug him to pieces; we won't say what we would all like to do with sexy Morgan but now we will all be fighting to get to Hotch too. I've hear of wet T-shirt contests and we kinda had a little one there last nite, didn't we girls? How pathetic are we? My hair is not gray but I am so feeling like I need a life when I can sit and jabber like this 5 X a day. Love it, tho'.
sf81387: good, GF, good: "Don't take the bait. Just take a deep breath and walk away." Keep up the good work. We're bigger people than all that, right?
Let's keep talkin' while we're walkin', 'K?
@ Stacy.
Put Dharma Greg Deutsch in on youtube.
"Liebe auf den ersten Blick Part 2" is funny - I caught something about it being after eight and having a shower. ?!?!
Like I said, weird - and still funny despite now not having gallons of bier from the Hofbräuhaus flowing through my veins!
Anonymous said...
"Oh, and as for what she'll do when JJ comes back? I don't know, what did Prentiss do while JJ was around? JJ's return is no reason to ditch Seaver. In fact, saying JJ's return is a reason to ditch Seaver is demeaning to both actresses, because you're essentially arguing that one blonde white woman is as good as any other. You're saying they're interchangeable. I, for one, find that deeply offensive."
OMG, that's too funny! Are you deeply offended because they're both blonde or both white?
I think the argument is that one "blonde" white woman IS actually Better than the other "blonde" white woman. They are NOT interchangeable, which is the argument that brought JJ back. It's not offensive, it's true, they both just happen to be blonde and white. JJ happens to be a great character with a valued history with the team and CM. Unfortunately Seaver, can't compete.The offense and insult with this situation was the removal of AJ Cook and her well-established character, and the substitution of the less experienced character played by Nichols. The producers insulted fans with a character that was ill-conceived, inexperienced and that lacked credibility.
Being blonde, brunette or a red-head shouldn't protect you from being canned if the character isn't working.
She should go to a shrink, not be part of the BAU. Honestly, I don't know how she passed the psych eval to get in the FBI. But I guess the fact that she had some screwed up childhood qualifying her to be part of a team that insists on experience and qualifications or genius like Reid (at least that is what I've been led to believe for 5 seasons) to stroll on in and take a seat at the profilers table, yep, having a pyscho dad will get you in the door. I guess for the next profiler seat open they should interview serial killers to see if they had any children and recruit them on in.
As some chapter in one of Rossi's books okay, being on the BAU team, give me a break.
Gubegirl:
You've said it all! (And I said, I'm PREMATURELY gray/silver, LOL!)
At least on here, we can jabber, gush, ramble on all we want amongst our fellow compadres. At home, everyone just looks at us like we're nuts. I have to be careful with my 'closet obsession'. Hubby's really annoyed enough at me over it!
I loved the exchange 'Why you?' and the grim humour 'Focus' (partly like he's saying to Rossi, 'ah focus, stop pestering me', and partly owning up to his own inescapable character.)
I liked that scene as well and thought his line about how most of the parents couldn't look up from their cell phones long enough to watch the game a sad, but accurate description of the society we live in. I also liked how that comment kind of came into play later when he's talking to the girl's parents and they hadn't spoken to her, but they had been texting with her occasionally and then they're pretty much admitting to him that they really hadn't been paying much attention during all of their trips to the area with their daughter in the past.
gubegirl, a CM guys wet t-shirt contest.. I think we need to set that up ASAP, :)
While I don't have quite the problem with Seaver as most, my main concern from the very beginning is this:
Coming from her background, wouldn't it make it just way too hard for her to deal with what they see every case. Wouldn't it just be a constant, in-your-face reminder of her father?
It will either make or break the character. She'll either have to grow an extremely thick skin or she'll decide to go to a different dept.
Totally off topic, but I read on another forum that Hotch's name was brought up in the spin-off last night. I wonder if that was confusing for people who watch it that have never seen the original.
Stacy & Gubegirl:
Have you seen all the clips on MGG at his recent 'slumber party' at UNH?
He takes his pajama top off at one part to demonstrate a nunchuk routine from a talent show he saw in the 5th grade. Skin tight black tank top, ninja headband, glow in the dark nunchuks.
Priceless!
Oh, and his biceps are still built up from all that time on the crutches!
Yummy!
Video behind the scenes interviews on the set of the finale: http://www.younghollywood.com/videos/tvfilm/set-visits/on-the-set-of-criminal-minds.html
Hmm, mmm.. I certainly did see that niteangl and I definitely approve!
sf81387, I read that too and wondered if it would make sense for viewers of CMSB who maybe have never seen CM. Maybe they are assuming that the majority of the people that watch CM are watching CMSB as well, which some might, or maybe they think that there is an automatic switch to the spin-off from CM??? I wonder in what context Hotch's name came up.
Anonymous:
Now that's just plain cruel. I'm at work (yes, you can fire me) and this computer doesn't have a sound card. Now I've got to run how quick as I can to see it.
Was it good and insightful? Hopeful, even?
Stacy:
Sorry, I hope TPTB really aren't thinking it's an automatic follow right into CMSB.
I'm sure it has it's fans. I have to admit, I have a thing about CMSB like most people have against Seaver.
If CBS hadn't shafted CM in order to make the spin-off I'd have been much more open to it, but after all the controversy and the fact that SM, KV and PG were very vocal aboutit, I found I couldn't, wouldn't watch it out of loyalty to our long-standing peeps.
The stuff I read said that Cooper asked the Director why Hotch wasn't called as the expert witness instead of him and the Director told him it was because Hotch was on a case in Central Florida. I guess Cooper felt that Hotch was more qualified than he was to testify. Kind of cool. I might've tuned in if I'd known they were gonna give props to my favorite BAUer. ; )
I hope they don't think that as well but TPTB haven't shown much presence of mind. I have never watched the spin-off and I never will. CM lost a lot because of the spin-off, stuff I hope CBS gets to restoring. God, I hope Paget comes back!
I saw the video. It was about 5 minutes long. There was no Shemar or Kirsten in it though :( Perhaps they were not shooting scenes the day they came to visit the set. I have to say that TG, hmm, he was looking kind of nice in the video, or maybe it was his voice. He has a sexy voice. Reid is my main man (he was great in the video), but I could sit around listening to TG. Maybe I'll rewatch the TG scenes in this episode :) Shemar without a doubt is sexy :) I wish he were in the video.
Now that's just plain cruel. I'm at work (yes, you can fire me) and this computer doesn't have a sound card. Now I've got to run how quick as I can to see it.
Was it good and insightful? Hopeful, even?
It wasn't insightful, but it was good and it was fun, silly. Interviews with Joe, Thomas, Rachel and Matthew. She makes Thomas say "Sh*t" numerous times and MGG plays the mirror game with her. Good stuff. Be sure to watch! : )
Thanks for the link anon! : )
sf81387 said...
"Totally off topic, but I read on another forum that Hotch's name was brought up in the spin-off last night. I wonder if that was confusing for people who watch it that have never seen the original."
This is what concerned me about Hotch's final scene with Strauss in Hanley Waters, when she passed some of her responsibility to Hotch. It seemed to me to be a possible set-up for Hotch to perform double-duty on the spinoff in an attempt to rescue it if it's renewed for a second season.
They can have Hotch spending time w/the red-cell team in an attempt to boost the ratings before CBS gives up on it completely. Just a thought...and I hope I'm completely wrong.
Is the Director for them Strauss or someone else? I got the impression from the Fight episode that Strauss was in charge of both teams.
Speaking of Strauss, I wonder if she will come up in the finale. Not an appearance, but maybe a mention since they said they were going to tackle the budget issue and the team.
sf81317 - I saw the spinoff last night (please don't scream!) and, yes, they did speak about Hotch. I would have thought also that anyone not familiar with the original wouldn't have a clue who that was.
Garcia was also in the spinoff last night....it made me sad. However, I would like to say (and at the prospect of being slammed) - I do like the spinoff!!! Sorry - I love Forest Whitaker....I just wish they hadn't used our beloved show to create it.
Anyway, my two cents...
sf81387:
Thanx. I'll be watching & downloading that later this evening. I always find it hilarious when, in an interview, etc., they say something totally OOC for the character they play.
I think we have a tendency to forget they are REAL people, not the character.
If you've ever seen MGG's NY story on youtube, you'll understand. On CM, I've only heard Reid say 'damn' oncer. There may be other instances, but it really sticks out in my mind because he just doesn't cuss.
In the video, he's so cute, asking if he can 'bad words' in the telling of this little tale. It's so hilarious and sort of endearing to know they are REAL people. I know some were disappointed to hear him say the 'f-word' & 's**t' but I loved it. So un-Reid-like!
sdwally said...
"This is what concerned me about Hotch's final scene with Strauss in Hanley Waters, when she passed some of her responsibility to Hotch. It seemed to me to be a possible set-up for Hotch to perform double-duty on the spinoff in an attempt to rescue it if it's renewed for a second season.
They can have Hotch spending time w/the red-cell team in an attempt to boost the ratings before CBS gives up on it completely. Just a thought...and I hope I'm completely wrong."
Oh no sdwally, I hope not!! I am really nervous as to how they are going to try and shape Hotch for the upcoming season. I absolutely would hate the idea of him pulling double duty between the BAU and the spin-off crew. He is needed full-time at the BAU.
One thing I don't understannd is that it seems to me that Strauss is a couple of levels above Hotch. Assuming that is correct, why wouldn't someone more near her level take over her duties. I fear that the reason they may have Hotch doing it is as a way to get rid of him if the contract falls through.
sdwally,
I too hope you're wrong about Hotch and Suspect Behaviour. Talk about manipulation.
Also need to say that I loved the scene with Reid and Morgan and the number of photos. Why can't they let that weirdness be enough for Reid?
niteangl, I love the MGG NY story!!! I laughed so hard!!! It makes me sad to watch it now because all of the cast is there. There is also a video in that same setting where Paget talks about how excited she was to try out for CM.
Damn CBS!!!
Love the tone of this thread. Just. Plain. Funny!!! Thanks everybody! :)
My two cents, as I've not been able to watch the episode yet (I'm about to, yay!).
If you want to listen to our boys and girls speaking perfect Spanish, put "Mentes Criminales" on YouTube and select the clip of your choice (nearly everyone is labeled with the season and episode numbers, so not necessary to speak the language).
Have Fun!
I haven't heard anything about Hotch pulling double-duty between the two shows. (But that doesn't mean a dang thing!)
That would be a bit much, since they already have Garcia doing it. Heck, we don't even know for sure of TG or SM are even coming back, yet! It's hard enough on my blood pressure just dealing with the fact that they're working that possibility into the finale.
Maria, ha ha, another one to add to my watch list, thanks :)
Stacy:
I saw that one too.
MGG posted a videon on Twitter that I've watched but haven't heard yet, called "Hollywood Abs"
It was shot/directed by Terry Richardson.
MGG is showing how TR can get 'Hollywood Abs' like him doing just these few simple exercises! Sort of a self-help video. However, when it came to MGG show his abs, it would cut away to some model's 6-pack abs. Priceless!
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Oh, well troops, the evil overlords are turning us loose for the day.
Have fun and play nice! I'll catch up to you guys another time!!
Stacy, I only watched the first two episodes of the spin-off, but in those two episodes the Director is a man. Strauss is a Section Chief. I'm assuming a Director is a bigger fish than the Section Chief.
Also, I think Strauss is just one level above Hotch. He's a Unit Chief and she's a Section Chief.
Nanci - I don't care if people watch the spin-off. To each his own. I tried to watch it, but didn't care for it. The characters are awful and not nearly as smart as the original gang and Forest Whitaker is just too overwhelming with all the heavy breathing and angst. The storylines always sound interesting, but I can't get past the bad characters and FW emoting all over place to find it enjoyable so I gave it up.
Haven't seen the whole ep yet but absolutely LOVED the ending. Thomas Gibson really made my day. :)
Thanks Stacy, glad you like the SMOKEFREEZONE avatar!!! :-)
Oh, okay, I thought Strauss was at a much higher level but maybe I thought that because she has such a commanding presence.
I just looked up the ratings for last night's episode--12.8 million. Wow, what a 9% drop from two weeks ago. Are people beginning to tune out? The spin-off was only 8.7 million--danger zone.
I think the fact that they were coming from 2 weeks of reruns would account for that. The spin-off.. yeah, I think it may be bye bye for that show. Most places say it has a 50/50 chance of being renewed.
I just looked up the ratings for last night's episode--12.8 million. Wow, what a 9% drop from two weeks ago. Are people beginning to tune out? The spin-off was only 8.7 million--danger zone.
No, I don't think so. All the networks are airing original programming right now and it just came off of a two week hiatus so it did well. It was still the most watched scripted program last night. Also, the NBA and NHL playoffs are pulling viewers away as well. May's a busy month for tv watchers.
I just looked up the ratings for last night's episode--12.8 million. Wow, what a 9% drop from two weeks ago. Are people beginning to tune out?
Those are the preliminary ratings, and that is a pretty typical number. CM always gets a boost once they factor in DVR.
That "Young Hollywood" clip was priceless. Love the idea of the bear prank they played on Shemar!
I had a big black bear run out in front of my car in the Rockies once - I'll admit it was pretty scary so I fully get his bear phobia...
Just some important info about ratings:
Advertisers pay for their ads time based on the demo A18-49. Total viewers are mostly meaningless when you talk about the health of any show (are only good for PR reasons).
CM average so far is 3.5, really good. Last night got a 3.2 (preliminary number), typical after several weeks of repeats. SB got a 2.2, bad for a CBS show.
DVR: only counts viewing up to 3 days after the original airing and that ONLY if people WATCH THE ADS!.
Hope I've managed to explain it! :)
all shows are down in the spring. It is normal no course for concern
Two quick things: when Hotch and Rossi walked into the Sheriff's Office the first time, the Unsub was delivering food to the deputies.
Secondly, love the vibe in the thread this week!! Everyone has their own likes and dislikes and we all agree on that. However, it's been much more upbeat and I've loved reading all the comments. Thanks everyone!!!
I wonder why Hotch and Rossi were placing Talbot under arrest being that it was a local case. The police officer was there when they were placing him under arrest, just wonderimg why he didn't place Talbot under arrest himself.
Stacy: Wet T's: You know that Shemar would win hands down - he has the 6 pack that outdoes them all; TG would look good (from my glimpse last nite!), but I am not so sure about my favorite geeky one. Don't mind thin, and def prefer a non-hairy guy (which I think he is) but have never seen him with any biceps.
niteanjl: re: above: You must clue me in(where to see these biceps, I mean) - course, then, I may back to just him and Morgan and let all the Hotch lovers fight amongst themselves - Hah! And don't worry about any premature gray - it's looking cooler than ever these days: I just don't have enuf to go that direction and my auburn doesn't frost well!
Looked at the Young Hollywood video and he's a doll there, a little hoarse. Maybe our Santa Ana winds are giving him the froggy allergies like they are me here in so. Calif. Do not see any other pics than the cute ones from Vogue - but he has a shirt and tie on there. And who is his GF, Ali? Did he forget to tell us about her??!!
Pls induge all this fantasizing, Criminal MInds Fan: this is so much more fun than the anti-Seaver stuff. Thank you!
to put last night rating in perspective, CM is very stable years to years, last years rating was 12.22 million viewers, adults 18-49: 3.3.
CM had more viewers this year than last year but the demo was only 0.1 lower than last year.
and Maria is right, demo is what matter not total viewers. Also, Maria mention DVR watching, the 3 days viewing (C3)is what matter when it comes to renewing a show and those are very close to what is reported in the DVR+7 days viewing (90% close). We will know in about three weeks what those are but usually CM picks up 2.5m viewers and 1.0 demo, meaning last night would be around 15m and 4.2. Not bad for a show going into its 7
season :)
CM Fan, so based on that where would you say the spin-off is at? I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't mind it spinning off the air...
gubegirl, Yes, no doubt Shemar would win that contest :) Oh my poor MGG, I'd still vote for him because he is just so adorable! TG and JM, guess that could be interesting. I nominate myself to be a judge of that contest that way I could console MGG afterwards, LOL :)
This thread is fun to read. People are airing their thoughts and opinions without needing to berate others for theirs.
I liked this episode but it was different not seeing Hotch in a suit or acting like his stoic self. It was like entering in the twilight zone.
GREAT EPISODE! A really good team feel to the episode. GREAT HOTCH MOMENTS! Great to see Hotch with Jack, great to see Hotch smile! Loved the ending with Rossi and Hotch at the soccer game. A really good feel to the episode. Good Morgan moments and good Reid too. Also the storyline was excellent. Yes, I think our CM is almost back. Now we need a contract for TG... and one for Shemar too.
I absolutely love the camaraderie between Hotch and Rossi. Rossi was helping Hotch out with Jack's team, but in a way, I think Hotch was helping Rossi out by including him. It was great to see the reaction Rossi had when Hotch asked him to help him and he looked absolutely thrilled to be out on the field. It was just great! Reid and Morgan as always were terrific! Jack was as cute as ever! Cade Owens is a doll!
The problem with the spin off is that it lose too much of CM viewers. Also, it loses to SVU which CM never did when SVU was at 9:00. CM:SB got very weak competition, yes SVU is weak with 8.5m viewers and a 2.5 demo, CM:SB should be able to beat a 12 years old show on its decline. Worse, CM:SB loses viewers almost every week. My prediction, considering the cost ( Oscar winner are not cheap) it will be cancel unless CBS feels that CM:SB can bring a good syndication deal.
I'm a little confused. Sometimes there's a CM fan on here who seems to be the person in charge of this blog. Then at other times there's a person with the same name but who does not write in UPPER CASE which I thought was "the boss's" trademark. Can anyone clarify? Sorry if I'm stepping on toes, it's my slighty obsessive personality coming out
Anabelle,
I like your way to look at the Hotch and Rossi friendship. Yes Dave was thrilled to be included. I like the friendship between Dave and Hotch, these two understand and have great respect for each others.
Cade Owens is such a cute kid! CM struck gold when they casted him as Jack Hotchner! I like that we get to see him grow up,sometime shows will recast a kid as he/she gets older but I'm glad CM isn't doing this.
Love to see so much Hotch in this one! Thomas Gibson is one sexy man. No matter what he wears, be it jeans and -tshirt, suit and tie, or kevlar and sunglasses, the man is just so darn...sexy!
I love all the under water scenes! I was so glued to Morgan getting the girl out of the car that when the unsub grabbed the girl's leg, I was thinking 'come on Derek, pull!' then out of nowhere here is Hotch who shot the guy! Great scene!
Seaver's scenes....idk yet about the character. I'm not a fan but I feel that with all that has happen to CM this season, that the writers had no time to spend in developing the character. For now she is just kind of...there.
ah sorry I am not 'CM Fan' in charge just another CM fan :)
let's change this to...
CM fan not in charge,
Thanks for the clarification and for taking my curiosity so well.
Superb episode. We need to see Hotch not at work more often. We need to see him with his son more often. Hotch is the man.
Carl:
I don't think Seaver is a profiler. She just graduated from the academy and I believe profiler courses are taken in addition to what is taught at the academy after graduating. That's why Hotch asked JJ in North Mammon if she wanted to take the courses and become a profiler. I also believe you have to be an SSA to become a profiler.
SmokeFreeZone:
I love those little comments of Rossi's. My personal favorite is still "He was left in a basket on the steps of the FBI."
It was a better episode than most this season, at least we didn't know who the unsub was from the outset. Loved the scenes with Hotch and Jack. They're always great together. It is indeed nice to see Hotch smile and be out of his severe suit and tie. Now if we could just get Reid into jeans and a t-shirt.
Loved Reid being Reid with the body profiling and counting the pictures so quickly, much to Morgan's dismay.
I wasn't overly thrilled with the water scene. It didn't seem like it was possible.
Why did Reid disappear at the end of the episode. We see everyone else but him. Why is he left constantly at the precinct?
Without mentioning anything gubegirl, I will just reaffirm my previous assertions regarding Seaver's character just so TPTB won't think silence is acceptance.
Really enjoyed last nigghts episode. Liked the family scene with Seaver.
She is great now, has been for the last 3 episodes.
Love seeing her develop its very exciting.
I think there were some good moments in the episode, however, I am clinging to what Erica said in her chat about getting writers who can write for a show like CM. I am not saying that this episode was terrible, it wasn't, I think all of the men did a great job. Hotch and Rossi moments, Reid and Morgan moments, Reid profiling at the hospital, and ending with Jack, nice. I think someone touched on it before in that the psycholgical twist to the show has been severely eroded over time. The getting into the mind of the killer, less sensationalism, etc. Another comment I just read about this episode says it better than I am attempting to here:
"I miss the days when CM was the different crime show, the one that focused on characterization and interesting, yet realistic plots. The one you could watch to try to get into a serial killer's head, the one that focused on the psychology, not sensationalism."
I am hoping that the show can get back to that. It seems like Erica wants to make a committment to making that type of writing a priority again, I hope so. Thomas and Shemar getting contracts (a must), AJ coming back, and hopefully a return for Paget or a character with the experience and qualification level of Prentiss if Paget doesn't return, I think will help usher in that type of writing that made CM distinct from all of the other crime dramas out there.
Jean Marie
I liked most of the episode. I liked Reid and Morgan working together in the field. I liked the profiling and Rossi interrogating the teacher. I liked the Seaver scenes. It was just the right amount of scenes of her asking stuff or the team explaining stuff to her and her working without help. They do a great job with her lately.
I loved Morgan(with Hotch`s help) saving the victim. It was obvious that Morgan was thinking of Prentiss during the CPR scene.
I like to see glimpses of the team`s outside of work life but I`m not a fan of the Hotch/Jack/soccer-coach stuff. I hope we don`t get too many scenes with Hotch and/or JJ and their children in season 7. Scenes with little children in CM are mostly a little too cheesy for my taste.
I took issue with Hotch/Jack soccer scenes. It was too nice and sweet for a Criminal Minds episode. Criminal Minds is suppose to be really dark not light.
I loved seeing Hotch smile and laugh (& dress casual). I watch the show for TG/Hotch and will move on if he does (his idea or CBS'). The "switch" from the darkness of the crime to the light of his scene w/Jack was slightly abrupt to me, but I was ok with that cuz I love HOTch so much. Re-watching it stand-alone just makes me smile and tingle. So, I can understand the comments about kid scenes being a little saccharine on CM, but enjoy them at the same time! The thing that makes me chuckle fr. a mundane angle, is don't they need another assistant coach who WON'T be called away whenever BAU has a case?
As to the water scene... very dramatic and heroic and entertaining, while not at all plausible. :) I almost laughed when Hotch showed up there like he did, but it was fun "popcorn fare." I was glad they at least had him fire more than once to make his miracle shot. ;) (as I said on another bd., his water shot is up there w/JJ shooting Penelope's shooter thru glass in the BAU, both of them should be certified/qualified for life!)
RE Seaver: I don't think it makes sense to have a cadet in the elite BAU. RN is lovely and didn't bother me in last night's episode (tho I didn't buy the spouse exchange w/Rossi at all), but imho the writers made an error that cannot be overcome, regardless of time/effort. I won't get into a back and forth, but if anyone from the show cares... NOT SOLD on Seaver. If CBS doesn't want to pay for all the team, and that is the distinct impression they have given, I'd be in favor of having Seaver go.
I'm mostly worried about TG's contract. I adore him and want him to stay on CM, if it's the best thing for him and his family. I hope he'll be around for a few more years and then will happily move on to his next big thing (he's too young to retire). Whatever his timetable, I'll watch whatever he does. If he leaves CM, I won't watch it anymore.
Seeing Hotch in this episode made me uncomfortable. Him at the soccer game acting the way he was and dressed the way he was did not sit right with me. It felt a little fake. To me he is stoic and the leader of the team.
Thanks for the ref to Young Hollywood. The guys are PERFECT, although i missed Shemar. And i maintain my original surmise about the most unrealistic aspect of CM -they are just too good-looking! If only i could get my HR dept. to hire any one of them - you know for better productivity, efficiency, visual relief, etc. As it is i've taken all my sick days because of TG - dehydration caused by all the drooling. Really, the man has NO shame!
OMG Hotch was soooo sexy! The man just looks good in anything! Maybe the underwater scene was cheesy, but a great showing of both our guys. :)
Loved the Hotch smiling moments with Rossi and then again with Jack. Happy, Happy, Happy!
I really loved this episode. Hotch centric episodes are the best!! :)
As a huge JJ and Hotch fan, I would love to see more scenes of them as parents. Such a nice touch in '100' when AJ Cook let her son Mekhai play the guest role of her TV son. :) He must be such a big guy now. That is one thing that draws JJ and Hotch together - they are both parents! I disagree that showing Hotch as dad is too light for CM. I think it breaks up all that darkness nicely. Kind of like Garcia - CM needs a lil something light or else it is just way too melancholy!! Of course, it's not that I'd like to see it in every episode or anything. But it is a nice touch to see it once in a while; to see the chinks in Hotch's stoic armor. : )
Regarding the ratings for this episode, considering it wasn't significantly hit by the NBA finals, I think it would be fair to deduce that many of the fans are female. Hence, the importance of renewing both Shemar and Thomas. ;)
lol Eleven! I am so happy that TG/Hotch has no shame! :) Give me more Hotch any day!
oh *jumps up and down and claps hands* Can I join the club?? *chants* We want Hotch!! We want Hotch!! *wipes drool* We want Hotch!! We want Hotch!!
'tis not a club, Sharon - it's a whole universe! And it's full of little 'shameless' (god bless the man) planets such as SmileyHotch, FrownyHotch, Bada**Hotch, AngryHotch, DadHotch...and then there is the Goob universe and the Shemar universe and the JM universe...you know where i'm going with this, don't you?
Oh my my my. While teh other Universes are all quite nice as well (Yummy, yummy), I think I would like to sign up for the Hotch Universe please. I'll start my tour with SmileyHotch planet (TG has the BEST smile and laugh ever), and then Bada**Hotch planet next. XD
Steph - Ooer, i misread 'underwater' in your comment. nevermind (cleans head with bottle brush).
Sharon, indecisive Libran here (random thought - i share me b'day with emily prentiss. silly immature glee moment when that was revealed) - don't know from which planet to begin my tour of the Hotch Universe. Confused as always. Sorry, Bloggerators, i'll stop with the silliness now, unless i find something relevant to say. (Zips it)
Ladies, might I suggest it's not too late to be submitting your requests for Mother's Day gifts: with all the oohing,aahing, sighing and drooling today and the possibility of a male wet T-shirt competition in the works...Let's just say I'm asking for some oversized BIBS.....:)
Anyone find the photo of MGG with actual biceps yet? I'm waiting...also eager to know if "Ali, his GF" is real or not....just checking. You know how we must know these things.
Let me congratulate you all on a lovely, plasant and fun day. We have turned a negative back into a positive here today after just one excellent epi...and some very sexy men...Sigh...
I love it when little Jack makes an appearance. Cade Owens is such a little cutie pie. He *almost* stole the show in '100'. Good job lil man.<3
Eleven,
How fun. I never knew Prentiss was a Libran. I wonder what astrological sign Hotch would be. Or do you people already know that detail too? eheh. As for your planetary tour dilemma, I suggest an extended stay on SmileyHotch planet until you decide the rest of your itinerary. XD
And on that happy note (SmileyHotch Planet), I'm calling it a night. G'night folks.
Sharon, Hotch is a Scorpio - 3 Nov if i remember it correctly. Emily is 12 Oct. Night night
Reid is probably a bit OCD. I can just see him needing everything in its place. Personally, I think it fits in with his other ASD qualities. His OCD tendencies just may not be as overwhelming for him as it is for other sufferers. I know Gube says he plays Reid as a massive germaphobe and it's one of the reasons Reid usually tries to get out of shaking hands.
Teresa H. said...
Hated the Rossi/Seaver scene talking about how the unsub didn't like having a spouse looking over his shoulder and her response. What, now she's a woman of the world sharing banter with Rossi the player? It just seemed like one more of those scenes designed to show how much she belongs on the team and I just come away feeling manipulated. Don't know if they could be better written or in all honesty if it would make any difference.
No kidding. Shades of being a narcissism expert because she dated a few. For Pete's sake, she smirked knowingly at Rossi! Like she's been there before! HERSELF. Where was the director in all this to go "Hey, Rachel? Sweetie? Remember as a 22/30/whatever it's not *you* who can commiserate with a thrice divorced man in his 50s who doesn't want a spouse looking over his shoulder. It would be your dad. You know, the guy you're always supposed to be teary-eyed with the victims because you feel so sorry about what he's done? Yeah. So less 'preaching to the choir, Rossi' attitude and more 'My childhood sucks' attitude. Thank you!"
Eleven, are you talking about Hotch or TG? Because in Machismo it was Hotch's birthday and they got called away on the case to Mexico. That aired April 12, so that would make Hotch an Aries.
Not sure, Pat, and i could be wrong!! But that's an excuse to see all the epis again from Season 1. TG's is 3 July.
Accidentally posted my comment on another thread from way back when. Just got this by ... wait for it ... googling. "Per the episode Machismo, Hotch's birthday falls on the Day of the Dead, which
runs from November 1-2."
I liked the episode, it was well-written and had many interesting things with our profilers doing things that they hadn't done before. 1.e. the underwater scenes, Reid profiling a body on the bed. Interesting. I enjoyed all of the show and did not feel that Seaver was a problem in it.
I know that I will irritate many people but I do NOT miss Emily. I was never impressed with her and many times just ignored her when on screen. Most of the episodes in which she had the major focus are among my least favorites so I am hoping the Paget's new show gets picked up and Emily does not come back.
I love this episode. I love everything most people said here, team interaction (Hotch/Rossi, Reid/Morgan), profiling, storytelling, Morgan and Hotch tag action heros, Hotch and Jack, etc.
One thing very fascinates me in Criminal Mind is the way they make decisions; like how they realize suspect is not real unsub, how they find unsub(when they don't use Garcia's magic too much), how they figure out unsub's next move, etc.
I watched several other procedural dramas recently, and again realize how different Criminal Minds is. They use physical evidences and motives as they are, but BAU analyze the evidence using profiling technique. That's fascinating for me and I could see lot's of them in this episode which makes me happy.
They may not explain every profiling process like earlier season, but it definitely there in every decision making process.
In this episode Morgan and Reid profiled physical evidence and realized Talbot was misleading trap setting by real unsub. I thought it interesting Rossi couldn't figure it out through interrogation of Talbot, and I realize maybe because Talbot has same psycopathology as unsub so Rossi couldn't figure out he didn't actually doing it and I thought it very clever writing.
But I thought Rossi's interrogation was more like police than profiler. There was not much profiling technique in that interrogation, more like threat just like every other police officer do. That's kind of disappointing for me.
Rossi's interrogation style, arrogant and aggressive is not really my favorite actually. I like subtle style like Gideon use, more like Hotch's style, quiet confidence, silent pressure, penetrating gaze which make unsub uneasy and exposed. Rossi's interrogation style suits his persona and it's effective many times, but I really really miss Hotch's interrogation.
Another thought is, I thought it interesting how BAU missed Talbot's involvement (though I don't think he actually did involve the kidnapping but he apparently knew). I think because they are so good and found misleading so soon and time was running out for Marcy, they didn't/couldn't dig Talbot deeper. If they did, they would find that photo of Marcy Talbot took.
Talbot might not kill anyone yet, but he definitely has potential to be future unsub. I think UK viewer's thought is very accurate, he would reappear as serial killer in the future and that would be very interesting. Maybe this case would be aggressor for him.
Hotch shooting the unsub in underwater was very fun to see (even though it a little unrealistic), and at that point, he had to kill the unsub to save Marcy, but I think it would be nice if he went to save the unsub as well as Morgan save Marcy. Well, maybe it's not the American style to save unsub especially this kind of unsub, but I prefer when they don't kill unsubs. Just my thought.
One thing to add.
Read profiles victim's body.
I think we haven't seen that before.
It's interesting and I would like to see more like that.
Reminds me of Bones (Brennan actually profiles bones).
I also love to see Hotch with his real family (Jack). I know the team is a family too but I believe that home family has priority. Just as JJ's real family is Will and Henry and her secondary family will be the BAU team.
christyzachman
was never impressed with Emily either. Though i do like Seaver now. She is on the way to becoming a capaple profiler.
Great episode this week
christyzachman
was never impressed with Emily either. Though i do like Seaver now. She is on the way to becoming a capaple profiler.
Great episode this week
I don't think I'd be going out on a limb here by saying that a good majority of the fans love Emily Prentiss, and while hoping all the best for her pilot, would love to see her back at CM as a regular come season 7 and beyond. For me, there is just no competition (not that one is being made or should be made) between Prentiss and Seaver. Prentiss is just the tops! She's skilled, experienced, funny, witty, sarcastic, protective, fierce, smart, I could go on for days. There is something missing there without Prentiss that I'm sorry Seaver has no chance in hell in filling for me, and I'd suspect other people. The same goes for me with JJ who I am over the moon is coming back for season 7!
If we could get Hotch (give Gibson a contract already), Morgan (give Moore a contract already), Prentiss, JJ, Rossi, Reid, and Garcia back for season 7, wow, that would be awesome! That team had a lot of energy, chemistry, experience, skill, wit, just everything! They were the best team going. Shame on CBS for tearing them apart. I hope they are actively seeking to put together what they tore apart.
Hoping the best for Paget Brewster on her pilot, not Emily Prentiss. My brain knew what it was trying to say, but it didn't quite hit the keyboard :)
As for Hotch and Jack and Rossi's soccer scene, I LOVE it!!
And since the case ended happily (they saved Marcy), I think happy Hotch and Jack scene is appropriate even for Criminal Minds. And it's sooooo nice to see Hotch smiles and happy once in a while. I'm so glad too see Jack and Hotch doing well. And I really can see Hotch all focus everything he does. Sweet.
I remember in the video in S5E10, Jack played soccer with Haley. I wish Haley was with them and probably she is (with their hearts), and that's maybe one of the reason Hotch chose soccer for Jack.
I read somewhere that maybe Hotch helps Rossi by letting him be assistant as well as Rossi helps Hotch, and I think it's right. Their support for each other is pleasure to see.
(Ooo, look, I created a google account! Advanced stuff for me)
Kury
Here I come wading in to defend (the lovely) Rossi. Like he needs me.
I agree with you. I prefer the subtle way Rossi went at Jason Alexander, for example. But in this episode I thought Rossi's interrogation style was a kind of joke for the audience after Hotch had thrown the police guy out: 'We have to speak to these unsubs carefully' [paraphrase]. So you expect something canny and specialised and then Rossi comes in almost as heavy.
Though it might just have worked with the fastidious safe-world paedophile who was so scared about the public reaction. He kept wanting to creep back under normality, with his pleas about the next class starting and his 'I'm a teacher', so I'm assuming the hard-nose rough-em-up manner could have thrown him off balance.
The voyeur operates in the dark. Rossi was putting everything out in the open.
To back this up there was a real difference in his approach after Morgan phoned in the information about the wrong-MO burial. Instantly Rossi goes softly with him but without letting him off the hook. Lovely judgement in the way he said, 'I thought you cared for these girls...' as the guy slurps his drink and holds out. Just enough menace. Just enough leeway.
In little touches like that, I think others (apart from Ashley at the close) did get that the sneaky photographer wasn't entirely innocent.
Like you say:
I thought it interesting Rossi couldn't figure it out through interrogation of Talbot, and I realize maybe because Talbot has same psycopathology as unsub so Rossi couldn't figure out he didn't actually doing it and I thought it very clever writing.
Me too. Ingenious thought. I like the new writer v.much!!
Kury,
I like the way you did look at the episode and the profiling, made me see things I didn't notice when I first watched.
I know not to link to other sites so I'm not going to, but there is a mention in EW [Entertainment Weekly (?)] about Reid's headaches. The storyline hasn't been dropped and will be picked up next Season. Erica Messer said that it was one of the threads they were going to do this Season but it got sidelined because of the exit plots or maybe because of MMG contract talks or something. Actually, I think she mentioned both, which is a bit weird. But anyway, good news for Reiders.
:o)
I just saw the ep last night, and I started to read from the bottom, but can't possibly read all 387 comments, so I don't know if this was mentioned. It wasn't the underwater gunshot that bothered me so much as the fact that the team would NEVER have gone to the unsub's restaurant without ALSO dispatching people to his home as well. Heck, they did it right with the first guy they picked up--Hotch and Rossi went to the school, and Morgan and Reid went to the house, presumably to look for the girl since they were fairly certain he was at work. But then, when they know they really and truly have the right guy this time, they ONLY go to his workplace, letting him escape out the back, get home, grab the girl, and hit the road?? NO ONE was sent to his house to look for the girl while they picked him up at work??? Ummm, NO. NO. NO. I might not even have noticed if not for the fact that they did it right the first time, making it totally unbelievable that they'd drop the ball so obviously with the second unsub. And I was enjoying the episode up to that point, too. I can suspend disbelief enough to accept that Hotch can shoot a guy underwater through a window (because who really knows, and it sure was dramatic!), but I draw the line at lazy writing that makes the characters seem like amateurs at what they do. You want him to get away with the girl and end up in the lake, writers? FINE. Figure out how to do it WITH the BAU following proper procedure.
Will say, though, that the shot of the teacher developing that picture at the end was a nice creepy twist.
Donna
Donna, I thought a similar thing with the way they rushed off to arrest Spectacles halfway through Garcia's list of overlapping creeps and church goers. They got to the Creep Teacher and off they shot without a thought for the remaining two or three. Procedures! Sheesh. My disbelief was of necessity rapidly suspended...
My apologies Eleven, I was going by when the episode aired. I always seem to think that when the episode airs it's that time of year and Machismo aired in April. Thanks for setting the record straight. Now, I've always thought Reid's birthday was in October since they celebrated it on, I believe it was Plain Sight, which aired in October, but now I could be completely wrong.
Eleven,
Oh Hotch is a Scorpio! Explains his intensity. LOL! Thanks for that interesting little tidbit. And wow good catch going by the actual date that is mentioned instead of the episode air date. Though it was reasonable also to have guessed on the air date. Anyway thanks to both Eleven and Pat! XD
Pat, hmm so maybe 2 Nov, i don't know, but somewhere around that time - my astrologically aware friend says Hotch is very Scorpio anyway (whatever that means). But anyway, i think i'm speaking to you from heaven 'cause i just finished watching the episode and if i can come back down to earth, i might even have a few sensible things to say about the episode. Preliminary, quick thoughts: I think the unsub story was 'almost' the right kind of creepy but it still felt a bit rushed and i still find myself distracted by the background music. They should really tone it down - that would just boost the creep factor a few notches. I mean, nobody thinks CM would be about furry kittens and cute pups - so no point trying to make it less scary or use some sort of hashed Brechtian verfremdungseffekt. They don't even have to show anything gratuitous or overtly in-your-face to accomplish that. One of the most shocking and creepy scenes in cinema to me was that package in 'Seven' that contained the erm head. They showed nothing but i could not sleep for days after. Also, finding the real unsub (at least one half of it) - too pat again, innit?
About the other stuff - what can i say without totally choking on all the wholesome Hotchness. Holy Hotch, amen, and all that and i'm never looking at a pair of jeans and t-shirt in the same way again. nuh-uh.
Spent half an hour typing comments only to have Blogger play a round of EpicFail by losing it at the post. Starting over and smarter by typing it in Word and pasting it. Safer!
Loved this episode for reasons already stated repeatedly, so I won't echo (much!). Just a couple of comments:
1. The Segue: Angela falling to Jack falling. I loved this and felt it worked very well for a number of reasons. The shock of fearful flight changing to children playing, an unknown victim to a familiar face . . . I liked it. Also enjoyed it on an emotional level – every loving parent wants to be there when their children fall; Jack's was, Angela's wasn't. Made it all the more poignant to me. Nicely done!
2. The Glock: I had read through a number of forums and sites discussing the firing of a Glock 17 underwater. This model IS actually rated for underwater fire – with modifications, of course – but it is still very dangerous to the untrained and trained alike.
3. Happy Hotch: Big fan of Happy Hotch in part as it's a fulfillment of promises made to Haley:
i) From 'Nameless, Faceless': "We will catch this man and I will spend the rest of my life making this up to you."
ii) From '100':
Haley: Promise me that you will tell him how we met and how you used to make me laugh. He needs to know that you weren't always so serious, Aaron. I want him to believe in love because it is the most important thing, but you need to show him. Promise me!
Aaron: I promise.
He's an honourable man who keeps his promises. No wonder we love him!
4. Seaver: I'm struggling, too. I have to stretch to accept that a newbie can be placed in an elite FBI unit. However, I DO know that some pretty boneheaded decisions are made by slaves to the bottom line – newbies are cheaper than fully trained, more experienced people. Granted, I'd like to think the real FBI isn't that hard up for cash, but the potential for stupidity blooms wherever it's planted. So, if I accept this is possible, I have to accept how hard it would be for a newbie to fit in. I remember when I was the youngest person entering an experienced workgroup years ago. I would state the obvious on occasion just to participate in discussions – no one could find fault with the truth! I didn't start giving my opinion or making controversial statements until I was comfortable that I wouldn't be ridiculed or dismissed. So, yeah, it's dumb when Seaver channels Captain Obvious, but it is also realistic.
5. Talbot, a budding baddie?: When Rossi told him "We found the photographs", Talbot's dismayed reaction was too strong to have been just a reaction to what was found hanging in his darkroom. Bremmer's been killing for a while, so the Marcy shots are probably not the only ones in his collection. However, this alone may not bring him further BAU attention. BUT what if Bremmer is not the only baddie who preys on Talbot's desire for a particular type of visual stimulation and, er, developing skills?
Uh oh. A couple of comments became 5. Er, I didn't lie, I minimised!
Merci beaucoup to criminalmindsfanatic and all you wonderful commenters for giving me many hours of enjoyment on this blog! It's impressive how fast and furious the comments come!
Hotch to me doesn't come across as Scorpio. Is he or TG? I'd have him down as Virgo with maybe (maybe) moon in Scorpio. He doesn't have the kind of eye or the lucid intensity that you'd get for Scorpio. He is intense but it's a heavy thing, not fierce. Actually, even more so, I'd see some Saturnine stuff laid on the poor guy. Capricorn with something warmer for moon to show his family side, Aries, or maybe the other way around (moon and sun).
Astrology's bunkum.
(Says I, the disbelieving atheist nay-sayer who can't resist writing my friends' charts to see what they're really like)
;-)
Latest from EW - Various Show - 6th May 2011
Criminal Minds scoop, please! — Rosie
There’s much more to the story about Dr. Reid’s headaches…except you won’t find out until next season, according to EP Erica Messer. “That’s something that we’re talking to Matthew [Gray Gubler] about and the writers are all trying to figure out what stories we’ve dropped. Honestly, that storyline, that whole idea behind that, started before we lost A.J. [Cook] and Paget [Brewster]. There was a chance that we were fearing to lose Matthew just because of contract negotiations, and that storyline kind of got implanted and then never truly paid off in this season, but we want to sort of conclude that next season. That’s the plan.” Thank goodness the Gubler told me he’s all set for next season and excited about it. Can you imagine a Gube-less CM? Hells to the no! This team is magic!
Amelia
I don't get it, if MGG is only schedule to renegociate next season and the headache storyline started in this season, how come they implanted to prepare themselves in case they lost him?
Well, well...
Even though I'm afraid of how much DRAAAAMA the headache storyline can turn into, I'm all for more Reid next season, because the last 2 were seriously lacking.
And I'm really happy to hear that they are aware of dropped storylines and are making an effort to work on them.
I really think that Erica will be great as the Exec. producer. And I hope she stays for good, because this revolving door of CM crew (and Cast) have not been good for the show.
Amelia
They're just giving us all these delish cookies because the network co**ed up so badly. I think it's a good time to ask for ANYthing. They'd give it to us to pacify us - Goobernators, Shemarians, Cuppa Joes, Hotchettes, just ask for it. Ya know, when they are down and hurting - they might acttually give us a wet T-shirt contest and we'd all be winners. When i said ANYthing, i meant ANYthing - so well it's up to your gutter-dwelling imagination loves. Go for it ;0)
Not hard to believe Hotch is a Scorpio-they have both an analytical and passionate way about them and are born leaders. There are two distinct types of Scorpio: the high flying "eagle", who aspire to good causes and greater things and then there is the lower level, represented by the Scorpion, who uses its skills for less than admirable causes, etc. I'm sure you have heard that you should not wreak the wrath of a Scorpio because of the venom of their "sting."
Before you think I have lost my marbles here, let me explain: years ago, in my Dr.s office-nursing days, we had a patient who did astrological charts professionally and I learned there is much more science to it than being 1 of 12 different kinds of people. And despite this being many years ago, I remember these things very distinctly because I am born November 6th and am a second decan Scorpio. I am born in the middle of the cycle and do not take on the attributes of either the former or latter signs (Libra and Sagitarius.)
Scorpios are also big into home and family, loyal to a fault and do nothing halfway: any job worth doing is worth doing well and they are perfectionists. Quite the sticklers for rules as well. Prob'ly partly why I am slightly OCD.
Do we know if TG is also Scorpio? It has to be hard to play out of character. Another interesting fact is that Scorpios are NOT fire signs as many think (remember the sting?) they are WATER signs, as are Cancer and Pisces (MGG in real life.) It is not uncommon for water signs to seek out other water signs, followed by earth but Scorpios do not care to share center stage with the fire sign, Leo, who loves an audience.
OK, guys, I am way digressing here and need my shower after jazzercising. Listen to some music, stay in a good mood (yesterday was great!) and remember ( quote, sf81387) to "take that deep breath,and walk away" if anyone starts something negative. We haven't time for it and musn't let it get our BP up.
Have a wonderful day. And BTW, my jazzercise instructor said this AM to celebrate the most sacred day of the year on Sunday: Mother's Day! Hah! Would someone tell my 19 y.o. son that?...:)
The things you can find on the internet... TG is Cancer with a Leo moon, and some kind of tiger in Chinese astrology. Leo sounds right. I bet a lot of actors have that.
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